An article
on Nation.Cymru yesterday argued that independentistas who argue for a form of independence which involves remaining in the EU are in danger of alienating potential supporters who also
support Brexit. Put in such stark terms,
the statement is unchallengeable; advocacy of a form of independence which is in
any way predicated upon continued membership of the EU will undoubtedly prove
unattractive to those who see the EU as some sort of evil foreign empire, and (in
theory at least) it should be easier to gain a majority for independence if any
and all such preconditions are removed. Such
an approach is not without its problems though.
Surely one of the lessons of the Brexit saga is that gaining a majority
for a broad concept which can be interpreted in different ways by different
people may be easier than getting a majority for a more specific proposal, but
it merely kicks the can down the road. It
can actually end up making it harder, not easier, to define the ultimate
destination, since it leaves everyone expecting ‘their’ version of the outcome
to be delivered.
‘Independence’ will happen in a context,
and that context will affect the meaning of the word ‘independence’
itself. There is no absolute, context-free
version of independence available to us and pretending there is in order to
put together a majority in favour is misleading people. As things stand today, there are three
obvious potential contexts – and therefore meanings – of independence for Wales:
1. Independence
within the EU whilst the rest of the UK (essentially, England) also remains in
the EU
2. Independence
within the EU whilst England is outside the EU
3. Independence
outside the EU with England also outside the EU.
In the first case, Wales would have the
same degree of ‘independence’ as any other EU member state. The same would also be true in the second
case, but there would be a requirement for a customs and regulatory border
between Wales and England. And in the
third case, our economy would inevitably be bound tightly to that of England; and
Wales would, in effect, be bound to follow the English regulatory regime. In theory, all of those are ‘independence’ as
it is understood in the modern world.
The argument of Nation.Cymru is effectively that, if the concept is kept
vague enough, supporters of all three can come together and vote for the concept, and that (to the extent that the choice would actually be in our own
hands anyway) we only need to choose between them after the event.
But here’s the thing: whilst I would vote enthusiastically
for the first, I’m not at all certain that I could vote for the second, and for
establishing customs posts along the Welsh border, and nor am I convinced that
a majority for such a proposal is attainable.
I’m not at all certain that the third is better than merely expanding
the scope of devolution. If a committed independentista
like myself is doubtful, what chance persuading a majority? Worse still – whilst leaving the nature of
the result open to interpretation might well attract some voters, it could also
put others off.
I’ve argued often enough in the past that asking
independentistas to provide a detailed picture of a post-independence
Wales is a silly question, because it depends on what sort of government we
then elect and what policies that government follows. That is not the same, though, as failing to
define what we mean by independence and the context in which it happens,
because if we don’t do that, we’re asking people to buy a pig in a poke. And the last three years have shown us what
can happen then.
2 comments:
"asking independentistas to provide a detailed picture of a post-independence Wales is a silly question, because it depends on what sort of government we then elect and what policies that government follows" I think you may have skipped a phase, Borthlas, which is why the problem looks insoluble. Let me try this...
Q- "what is your detailed picture of a post-independence Wales?" (Important Question, after all)
My Answer: "I have not got one yet. But if we hold a Wales Constitutional Convention we will get a clear FRAMEWORK." Not the elected government with its proposed laws. The Convention will, for example decide
- total Indy or some half-way like Dominion Status
- what we do with Queen, £, who will be entitled to vote
- Framework stuff like separation of powers, checks and balances: Elected Governor, bicameral legislature, Supreme Court of Wales. Standard off-the-peg stuff.
Q- "what sort of government will we get and what will be its context?"
My Answer - "we will agree our Framework. And they you can see what the various parties propose using the new known Wales Framework/context, and you vote to choose."
The point being that getting a proper framework will produce clarity and many better results. Historically, new democratic Constitutions produce a big uptick in national vitality. So a Convention is the answer to your logical and presentational difficulty, B.
I think we may simply be talking at cross purposes here - perhaps, on reflection, I didn't make the point clearly enough. The point that I was driving at was the difference between what an independent Wales might look like in constitutional terms and what it might look like in policy terms - things like the infamous and utterly stupid question about how many aircraft carriers Wales would have.
I agree that the framework can be worked out in advance, and that a constitutional convention is a way of doing that, although I'm not so convinced that a convention with the narrow remit of defining a framework for an independent Wales can precede the desire for independence. If constituted today, I suspect it would have to conisder wider questions, such as whether and how the union could be preserved...
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