tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post871620214320064685..comments2024-03-26T09:38:39.888+00:00Comments on Borthlas: Silly referendumsJohn Dixonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-15365861109461649112014-12-18T18:13:38.639+00:002014-12-18T18:13:38.639+00:00Anon,
The basic problem with your comment is that...Anon,<br /><br />The basic problem with your comment is that the initial premise is wrong. No-one has said here that they're 'afraid' of a referendum; that fear seems to be a product of your imagination.<br /><br />The message from polls on the specific issue of income tax over a period, even in the link you provide, is mixed; about the only thing which is certain is that very few people would even bother to vote.<br /><br />Thee is though, a huge leap of non-logic from a reasoned discussion on what should or not require a referendum to an assertion that anyone who doesn't think one is necessary on a specific issue must be 'afraid' of it.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-42933306066913509542014-12-18T07:10:33.548+00:002014-12-18T07:10:33.548+00:00Why be afraid of a referendum? Nothing to do with ...Why be afraid of a referendum? Nothing to do with this is it?<br /><br />http://blogs.cardiff.ac.uk/electionsinwales/wp-content/uploads/sites/100/2013/07/Wales15.pdf<br /><br />6 out of eight polls that asked if Income tax powers should be devolved come up with "NO". As Carwyn has observed...a referendum on the issue is "losable".<br /><br />Wales has shown no appetite to take on these powers and although the Tory party wants us to have them, a quick look at the polls shows Tory voters strongly against. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-38840719310211823272014-12-17T20:27:24.792+00:002014-12-17T20:27:24.792+00:00the question is how we get out of that.
Given Car...the question is how we get out of that.<br /><br />Given Carwyn's inherent ability to constantly change the goal posts I'm sure he could come up with an answer. I suppose the real question is how do we make it in Labours interest to mot hold a referendum?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-26726822368361285692014-12-17T17:58:59.548+00:002014-12-17T17:58:59.548+00:00Anon 13:21,
"the precedent is already set so...Anon 13:21,<br /><br /><i>"the precedent is already set so why the need for a referendum?"</i><br /><br />Logically, there is no need, of course. But we're dealing with politicians, not logicians, and given that all four parties signed up to a silly referendum, the question is how we get out of that.<br /><br />Anon 16:31,<br /><br />I'm not against referendums, and didn't say that I was. But I think that they're best used on issues of principle rather then detail - otherwise, we'll be holding a never-ending stream of them. And I'll ignore (again) your obsession with partitioning Wales to suit your misunderstanding of linguistic geography.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-84030518173349342342014-12-17T16:31:16.607+00:002014-12-17T16:31:16.607+00:00Referendums do have a role as the latest one up in...Referendums do have a role as the latest one up in Scotland has shown.<br /><br />Other than England all the provinces of the United Kingdom are divided in so many more ways than one. Referenda can often starkly indicate such divisions.<br /><br />Scotland will, in time, partition into a pro-UK area and independent rump. I wish the same for Wales but I suspect we may well have to divide into at least three units such are our linguistic problems.<br /><br />Such changes will not happen overnight. They will occur democratically and referenda will ensure such.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-46500225669971963392014-12-17T13:21:56.843+00:002014-12-17T13:21:56.843+00:00The main arguement I remember (origionally) about ...The main arguement I remember (origionally) about the need for a referendum re: (income) tax was that the Assembly had bo powers over tax and therefore for a new precedent a referendum would be needed. But if Stamp duty and the landfill tax are being devolved without a referendum then the Assembly will have responsibilities over some taxes. As income tax is just another tax (albeit raising substantionally more than the others mentioned)the precedent is already set so why the need for a referendum?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com