tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post786957210314303978..comments2024-03-26T09:38:39.888+00:00Comments on Borthlas: So - was it worth it?John Dixonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-5987283300996937522011-05-25T09:00:12.564+01:002011-05-25T09:00:12.564+01:00"Is that to indicate that you do not believe ...<i>"Is that to indicate that you do not believe a successful referendum on further powers was an advancement of Plaid Cymru's position?<br />"</i><br /><br />No, of course it isn't; and I made it clear in the original posting that I considered that to be a big plus for the One Wales agreement. The quote that you've picked out was in response to the rather broader assessment of 'success' contained in the first comment by Macsen.<br /><br /><i>"Also John you have become quite revisionist recently. You were the chair of the party when the One Wales agreement was established. I don't recall these reservations ever being aired at the time?"</i><br /><br />As the Chair, I regulated the discussion and thus took no direct part in it myself. That doesn't mean that I hadn't expressed a number of reservations in a less public fashion.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-8484820151551663862011-05-24T19:23:03.792+01:002011-05-24T19:23:03.792+01:00"For such a party, 'success' must als..."For such a party, 'success' must also include an assessment of progress towards the goal."<br /><br />Is that to indicate that you do not believe a successful referendum on further powers was an advancement of Plaid Cymru's position?<br /><br />Also John you have become quite revisionist recently. You were the chair of the party when the One Wales agreement was established. I don't recall these reservations ever being aired at the time?Daniel Evansnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-48794353603196183982011-05-22T20:46:30.407+01:002011-05-22T20:46:30.407+01:00And people forget that in Animal Farm there was a ...And people forget that in Animal Farm there was a period of progressive self-government under Snowball's leadership. After Snowball got kicked out of government conditions deteroriated.Welsh Ramblingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17585109264200933570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-18640977896609288292011-05-20T16:20:35.913+01:002011-05-20T16:20:35.913+01:00Macsen,
"Over all One Wales was a good gover...Macsen,<br /><br /><i>"Over all One Wales was a good government and good for Wales."</i><br /><br />And I don't exactly disagree with that. However, 'being a good government' may be enough for most parties, but it isn't really enough for a party with a broader mission. For such a party, 'success' must also include an assessment of progress towards the goal. Further, that assessment must also include both a short term and a long term element.<br /><br />It's my assessment against the long term element which underlies my conclusions.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-55740205088818591622011-05-20T13:04:56.432+01:002011-05-20T13:04:56.432+01:00Fine words Boncath, but where is your recipe for c...Fine words Boncath, but where is your recipe for change?Dave Edwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-8824082549063173242011-05-20T12:24:55.303+01:002011-05-20T12:24:55.303+01:00John
Spot on
The gweryn know what the situation i...John<br />Spot on<br /><br />The gweryn know what the situation is on the ground but who asks them for their point of view?<br /><br />The annual conference as a mechanism for political change is deader than a dodo. It kills good ideas faster than a well knowm toilet cleaner<br /><br />Westminster and the devolved governments are so held by proceedure and by the desire to maintain the status quo that they are not effective in a rapidly changing global economy. <br /><br /> Their origins lie within the stability of a world dominated by the Victorians and the English EmpireBoncathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-3427783891356597872011-05-20T10:11:21.304+01:002011-05-20T10:11:21.304+01:00I think you're being too cynical John.
Over ...I think you're being too cynical John. <br /><br />Over all One Wales was a good government and good for Wales.<br /><br />MacsenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com