tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post5630847432183145422..comments2024-03-26T09:38:39.888+00:00Comments on Borthlas: To knife, or not to knife...John Dixonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-33658861384324768892011-05-10T12:07:28.760+01:002011-05-10T12:07:28.760+01:00Sionnyn,
My comment about a "number of hands...Sionnyn,<br /><br />My comment about a "number of hands and minds" related to my experience of previous manifestos - as I said in the comment, I cannot speak for what happened this time around.<br /><br /><i>"Plaid has lost its intellectual thrust"</i><br /><br />Absolutely agree - and Plaid was the party which for decades did the most detailed and careful thinking about policy and the future for Wales.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-36302874850810501262011-05-10T11:36:04.320+01:002011-05-10T11:36:04.320+01:00John - you say that "a number of hands and mi...John - you say that "a number of hands and minds at work " (on the manifest - in this case it honestly looked as though there were far too many hands, and not enough mind!<br /><br />Plaid has lost its intellectual thrust, and needs to regain it quickly or die in the new, post unionist Britain that dawned on Friday.Siônnynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00021974709953206048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-21591073611162057012011-05-10T08:48:11.082+01:002011-05-10T08:48:11.082+01:00Anon 19:25, and Anon 23:16,
I've always been ...Anon 19:25, and Anon 23:16,<br /><br />I've always been ready to compromise when necessary in order to move Wales forward, and that should also be the key in considering whether to form a coalition or not. The key question though is <i>'how much compromise for how much forward movement?'</i> And the secondary question is whether the compromise is presented as being such, or whether people try to sell the compromise as being good 'in itself'. Vision is an essential element of compromise, enabling that compromise to be placed into a context.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-68259632804619068792011-05-10T01:23:46.326+01:002011-05-10T01:23:46.326+01:00ex pat plaid said...
There was no opportunity for...ex pat plaid said...<br /><br />There was no opportunity for any one to feed anything to the process. It was open and shut within the small Bay band<br /><br />As an Ex Pat, I assume you were very close to the activity involved?Glyndonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-3759304167484281342011-05-09T23:16:34.903+01:002011-05-09T23:16:34.903+01:00I doubt that there is an active Plaid member on he...I doubt that there is an active Plaid member on here, just a bunch of egos who cannot cope with compromise to move Wales forward.<br /><br />How very sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-62319078924776863642011-05-09T21:13:16.140+01:002011-05-09T21:13:16.140+01:00thanks for your comment John. after meeting Nerys ...thanks for your comment John. after meeting Nerys recently i was very much under the impression it was a solo effortAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-27137667819750624332011-05-09T19:25:59.674+01:002011-05-09T19:25:59.674+01:00John, have you any thoughts on Plaid having a seco...John, have you any thoughts on Plaid having a second term in coalition or some kind of deal with Labour?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-52632320002495096702011-05-09T18:47:31.319+01:002011-05-09T18:47:31.319+01:00Anon 18:41,
I don't know; I'd gone by the...Anon 18:41,<br /><br />I don't know; I'd gone by then, but I'd be very surprised if it were true. From past experience, the Director of Policy oversees the work, and presents the final document for approval, but there are usually a number of hands and minds at work to get to that point, including during the production of the first drafts.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-40606859276906332682011-05-09T18:41:19.793+01:002011-05-09T18:41:19.793+01:00am I right that nerys wrote the manifesto, almost ...am I right that nerys wrote the manifesto, almost on her own?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-80474580710977018372011-05-09T18:13:56.818+01:002011-05-09T18:13:56.818+01:00Plaid lacking in vision, lost its direction.. bori...Plaid lacking in vision, lost its direction.. boring... to what extent is Ieuan responsible for that?<br /><br />Sad to say, my feeling is that a lot of it lies at his door. <br /><br />I felt a little sick listening to Dafydd Ellis Thomas yesterday on the Politics Show Wales. Talk about complacency! He chimes on about his expertise on being the guardian of Wales' 'constitution' whilst his party has scraped an iceberg and is sinking by the head. And he wants to keep the same captain at the helm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-50236939065352259742011-05-09T18:05:15.425+01:002011-05-09T18:05:15.425+01:00The blame for this election outcome is clearly dow...The blame for this election outcome is clearly down to one event.<br />The ordinary Party members who raised their right arm when asked to approve the very flawed “One Wales Agreement”. This document set the limited expectation, killed off any activity and debate about Plaid Cymru `s Mission and Aims and triggered the over throwing of the lifelong policy the Party had about access to the Lords (whoops sorry “Second Chamber) in order that their limited measures could have life, rather than hold true to our principles and seeing the madness of the system as a propaganda gift.<br />I hope that policy will be reversed and we will avoid the Lord`s and all its feudal flummery and undemocratic ways.<br />As to Iron Whine Jones ,he alone is not responsible, but the question has to be put –why after ten years of electoral failure in all elections ,the ordinary members/Branches could not get control ,of our Westminster Warriors ,Assembly Barons and Chamber chicks and bring them to book for their poor performance? – What a shower!!Spirit of BMEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-19185718496281963462011-05-09T17:56:27.131+01:002011-05-09T17:56:27.131+01:00IMO too much arsing around with building a 'br...IMO too much arsing around with building a 'brand' with a nice flower and some colours.<br /><br />Also too much playing around with 'social media' on Twitter and Facebook. I use those websites for light matters, not things to be taken seriously. All messages morph into an amalgamation, and I can't remember anything anyone says.<br /><br />Plaid should make some real statements<br /><br />e.g. become a scientific and manufacturing powerhouse with a reputation matching that of Germany's<br /><br />or demand that money from off-shore windfarms goes to Wales, insisting on a constitutional debate. Plaid are too polite to be a nationalistic party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-32307390594432540232011-05-09T16:32:22.864+01:002011-05-09T16:32:22.864+01:00There was no opportunity for any one to feed anyth...There was no opportunity for any one to feed anything to the process. It was open and shut within the small Bay band<br />Plaid has innovators and thinkers and sadly they weren't involved .Small ideas come from small minds and that has nothing to do with intelligence it has to do with vision. Plaids vision has been held back by being sidekicks in a non visionary government. It does rub off. <br />Get radical, get some edge, get a new leader.ex pat plaidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-67754014520802160402011-05-09T15:58:19.453+01:002011-05-09T15:58:19.453+01:00Bit rich too of Dafydd Elis Thomas slagging off hi...Bit rich too of Dafydd Elis Thomas slagging off his own party's election strategy ... where was he to give us words of wisdom?!<br /><br />Dafydd El wanting his cake and eating it - wanting Plaid votes to be AM and then dumping Plaid to be Llywydd. Typical.<br /><br />On your more general point I think what has happened in Scotland will move Plaid (and Wales) to debate independence. In that respect we'll become mainstream European - that's what's happening in an arc from the Faroe Islands, Scotland, Flanders, Bsaque Country and Catalonia now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-54445131585234359982011-05-09T14:48:53.930+01:002011-05-09T14:48:53.930+01:00Spot on and perceptive as ever, John. You are not ...Spot on and perceptive as ever, John. You are not the only person with connections to the party (past or present) that is hugely fed up with this endless search for the next Messiah (or should that be Moses..?)<br /><br />One thing I disagree with. There's a lot of talk of the managerial style. That's not my experience of the party. You usually have to throw a rope in to retrieve any policy or piece of work. And the internal communication is appalling.<br /><br />Perhaps if the top-down approach came with processes, many members would be far more willing to bear the current deafening silence without anger and frustration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com