tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post8637652936593252198..comments2024-03-26T09:38:39.888+00:00Comments on Borthlas: For Wales, see EnglandJohn Dixonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-90966847393586114602016-06-27T11:33:19.577+01:002016-06-27T11:33:19.577+01:00It is often said that someone always makes money f...It is often said that someone always makes money from other people’s calamities.<br />No more so than the result last Friday. The demand for white wine in order to treat the shock being felt by the political luvvies in Collaborator’s Cove in Cardiff and again at Westminster, has been outstanding. This demand has been further boosted by the cleaner-owing classes in Cardiff North, Islington and BBCland, where reports emanating out of this weekend’s dinner parties, is to stop the peasants voting like this again and do as they are told. This includes taking the vote off the over 60`s, as they are stuck in their ways and are more likely to die before the next election and also to take the vote off the under 25`s who do not have a university degree, as they are stupid and irresponsible. Anyway, it would avoid them having to meet these type of people when casting their vote – “hic!, more wine Diana?”<br />Spirit of BMEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-51112134668019846112016-06-26T08:16:46.132+01:002016-06-26T08:16:46.132+01:00Anon,
I'm not sure why you would single out t...Anon,<br /><br />I'm not sure why you would single out the <i>"social construct of modern-day Wales as a nation state"</i> as being somehow different from the social construct of a nation-state in the more generic sense. If we discuss the generic, I'd be inclined to agree with you - the idea of stand-alone nation states in Europe very much belongs to the past; the future is about how and on what terms nations work together. That is, in essence, what the EU is about. <br /><br />There's plenty of scope for debate about whether the EU is the right way of doing it, and there is much about the EU which I'd like to see done differently. But I suspect that many of the leave voters have some sort of romantic attachment to the idea of the UK as a 'nation-state'; that's an attempt to return to the past rather than look to the future. In short, those wedded to the outdated concept of a nation-state aren't the Welsh nationalists who wanted to remain, but the British nationalists who decided to leave.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-55319924118649804192016-06-25T10:11:46.869+01:002016-06-25T10:11:46.869+01:00Is it possible that the social construct of modern...Is it possible that the social construct of modern-day Wales as a nation state has run its course?<br /><br />I suspect so.<br /><br />It's time to move on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-3445363401248909322016-06-24T21:45:07.451+01:002016-06-24T21:45:07.451+01:00I think Wales was voted out of existence yesterday...I think Wales was voted out of existence yesterday, yet think back just 5 days to that balmy night in Toulouse when Wales stood on a European stage, played good football and made a nation proud, they showed us what was possible. The cold hard reality is the opposite for Wales, see England and has been for sometime.<br /><br />I also don’t see how Carwyn Jones and Leanne Wood can carry on as still leaders of their respective parties after such huge failure; both are severely out of touch with the electorate who chose UKIP to speak for us yesterday. <br /><br />The result for Wales is worse because it gives Scotland a second chance at independence, Ireland could unify, meanwhile you could make a strong case that Cardiff doesn’t represent Wales in the same way London doesn’t represent England, again more like England than Scotland.<br /><br />We should change the sign at the Severn Bridge to ‘Welcome to Western England’ and be done with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-86836849814308963882016-06-24T21:05:48.270+01:002016-06-24T21:05:48.270+01:00Bitterly disappointing to see the electorate in wa...Bitterly disappointing to see the electorate in wales broadly voting along similar lines as the electorate in england (or england outside london rather). A result made even more depressing - not to say embarrassing - by the fact that voters in both scotland and northern ireland strongly voted to stay in. Yesterday's results clearly means we can no longer speak of england 'dragging wales out of the eu against its will'. But recent elections in 2014 and 2015 should have warned us that politically speaking wales is no longer as different from england as some people would like to think. <br /><br />Where this leaves wales - and its political and economic future - is anyone's guess. But you dont have to be mystic meg to predict that the immediate prospects for wales are not good. And it's a crazy irony that those communities in wales that will suffer most as a consequence of this result will be those parts of wales (like RCT,Caerphilly and Torfaen) which most enthusiastically swallowed the lies of and wild promises of 'bojo' and farage and co. <br /><br />And from my own experiences campaigning in swansea many of those voting leave were motivated by the same hostility towards immigrants and the same barely disguised racism as voters in places like barnsley and sunderland evidently were. <br /><br />So what does this vote say about wales and what exactly does it say about the direction wales going in as a nation? I think it strongly suggests that Wales isnt gong in the direction some of us would like.Indeed when surveying yesterday's results in wales you could be forgiven for thinking that wales is just another part of england, and that we only actually exist as a 'nation' on the rugby and football fields."For Wales,see England" indeed. <br /><br />Certainly after yesterday's result the aim of a self governing wales in the EU seems a million miles away. Leigh Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598475954140926742noreply@blogger.com