tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post5218854854238532567..comments2024-03-26T09:38:39.888+00:00Comments on Borthlas: More bad news on educationJohn Dixonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-91100878634135082422011-04-01T14:44:08.829+01:002011-04-01T14:44:08.829+01:00I agree moving around managerial deck chairs or ju...I agree moving around managerial deck chairs or just doing things just to look like you are will not resolve anything. But, unfortunately that is what you will get, and the last ones to get any meaning support will be head teacher, teachers and kids.the Blog what I Wrote https://www.blogger.com/profile/11201806049299435867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-4959996671081159142011-04-01T13:55:39.752+01:002011-04-01T13:55:39.752+01:00Olde Boar,
"However I know enough kids who l...Olde Boar,<br /><br /><i>"However I know enough kids who live in deprived areas who have parents who care and are involved."</i><br /><br />Of course, and I wouldn't deny that. We're not talking about something here that's entirely 'black-and-white', cause and effect. But anecdotal exceptions don't change the strong correlation between relative wealth and school performance. That doesn't mean that eliminating inequalities of wealth would eliminate the inequalities of performance; that's not what I'm arguing. What I do argue, however, is that concentrating on changes purely within the educational system, and failing to address the wider issue of inequality, will not solve the differences in performance.<br /><br /><i>"I find here that the difference is contant communication between school and parents."</i><br /><br />And I'm sure that such communication is important, but it won't resolve the underlying issue. And, to return to my core point, neither does it depend either on more funding or a reorganisation of the management deck chairs.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-70990850521788874442011-04-01T13:46:50.580+01:002011-04-01T13:46:50.580+01:00Yes and no John. Poverty does pay a negative role ...Yes and no John. Poverty does pay a negative role in poor eduaction. However I know enough kids who live in deprived areas who have parents who care and are involved.<br /><br />I find here that the difference is contant communication between school and parents.the Blog what I Wrote https://www.blogger.com/profile/11201806049299435867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-82223109311078248542011-04-01T12:07:35.326+01:002011-04-01T12:07:35.326+01:00Are parental attitudes and family commitment to ed...Are parental attitudes and family commitment to education important factors? Yes, of course they are. But we also need to think a little bit about why the variation in such attitudes and commitment varies as much as it does, and why it seems to have such a strong correlation with inequalities of income and wealth.<br /><br />Even if it were not for such correlations, and even if these factors stood alone, as it were, as causes, then that would still support the main point that I was making, which is that changes to the funding or management structures of the educational system are not addressing the underlying causes.<br /><br />They may look like taking decisive action, of the sort much-loved by politicians, but are unlikely to have much impact on outcomes in themselves.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-11214208955695435232011-04-01T11:37:18.688+01:002011-04-01T11:37:18.688+01:00I hope they do not decide to go down the NCLB rout...I hope they do not decide to go down the NCLB route of constant testingtestingtestingtestingthe Blog what I Wrote https://www.blogger.com/profile/11201806049299435867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-11079933318584877042011-04-01T11:35:53.201+01:002011-04-01T11:35:53.201+01:00I think that Cibwr's point is the most importa...I think that Cibwr's point is the most important. 'its the parents Stupid". and so it is. Yet I hear very little about lack of parental involvement in the latest news. is that my imagination? Or could it be this is something that requires the hardest work. Yes have better prepared teachers but we also need better prepared parents, or all the best teachers in the world will not help.the Blog what I Wrote https://www.blogger.com/profile/11201806049299435867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-39161778514383393032011-04-01T10:12:56.929+01:002011-04-01T10:12:56.929+01:00Anon 20:10,
Where on earth has that idea come fro...Anon 20:10,<br /><br />Where on earth has that idea come from? Absolutely not.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-73514402420744298122011-03-31T21:43:53.460+01:002011-03-31T21:43:53.460+01:00John
I agree with Cibwr.
For a long time Educatio...John<br />I agree with Cibwr.<br /> For a long time Education has become a vehicle to export our youth out of Wales<br />Since the Sixties we have lost so much of our economic activity that there is very little opportunity for our school leavers to remain here.<br />Staying is synonymous with academic failure and benefit dependency.<br /><br />There is a lot of thinly diguised anti Assembly articles floating around on the principles that if you throw enough mud some will stick or the bigger the lie the more will accept it as fact<br /><br />To measure Education achievement by pseudo monetary yardsticks is nonsense.<br />As you so rightly say there are other factors at play and that is the real challenge for the AssemblyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-52857847773884259882011-03-31T20:10:46.214+01:002011-03-31T20:10:46.214+01:00s it true John you are considering joining the Lab...s it true John you are considering joining the Labour party?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-22218537940387901812011-03-31T14:31:19.179+01:002011-03-31T14:31:19.179+01:00MH,
This is the report I've used - it's t...MH,<br /><br />This is the report I've used - it's the same one that I referred to in the earlier post, and the one which the parties all still refer to, with the £604 gap.<br /><br />http://wales.gov.uk/topics/statistics/headlines/localgov2011/110126/?lang=enJohn Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-89405430250964661352011-03-31T14:27:29.219+01:002011-03-31T14:27:29.219+01:00You seem to be quoting from a report, John, but I ...You seem to be quoting from a report, John, but I haven't been able to find a copy of anything more recent than "The Structure of Educational Services in Wales" report dated 9 March from <a href="http://wales.gov.uk/topics/educationandskills/publications/wagreviews/educationservicesreview/?lang=en" rel="nofollow">this page</a>. What you've quoted isn't from that; though as a definition of spend per pupil, the 2006 "Report on School Funding Arrangements in Wales" says almost the same thing.<br /><br />So are you referring to the 9 March report, or is there something else? If so, do you have a link?MHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09329059309196746446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-36745113523187508682011-03-31T12:36:26.298+01:002011-03-31T12:36:26.298+01:00One of the biggest factors is family commitment to...One of the biggest factors is family commitment to education. There used to be something of a tradition in Wales that saw education as the way to improvement. <br /><br />We need to re-enthuse parents to become actively involved with their children's education. That I think is the key.Cibwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621705905770341542noreply@blogger.com