tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post4498709585096133861..comments2024-03-26T09:38:39.888+00:00Comments on Borthlas: Which is the worst form of oppression?John Dixonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-53845920044283978132020-09-23T07:48:11.806+01:002020-09-23T07:48:11.806+01:00It is becoming arguable that the independence move...It is becoming arguable that the independence movement and particularly Plaid has been subverted by an assortment of groups whose aims and ambitions are focused on something other than the creation of a new modern state. Is this subversion driven by the UK State machine, or is it just a curious phenomenon/characteristic of modern politics in this country ? Is it a way for leaders like Adam ( and the rest of the leadership team) to avoid the burden of heavy lifting that goes with striding towards freedom while enjoying the perks of leadership of a Party ? dafishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04216920242825385976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-38331187919120020802020-09-22T11:16:51.907+01:002020-09-22T11:16:51.907+01:00
Again, I agree, but how do you deal with this? Th...<br />Again, I agree, but how do you deal with this? This is increasingly the position held by those that really control Plaid. Yes Cymru appears to more of aa broad church, but already I can see the dogmatists taking over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-5878846711317214772020-09-22T08:30:39.898+01:002020-09-22T08:30:39.898+01:00Anon and anon,
The 'movement' is bigger t...Anon and anon,<br /><br />The 'movement' is bigger than any single party of course, even if the electoral system with which we are saddled disincentivises the offering of multiple choices about a future Wales which other nations would consider normal. In a healthy movement (which depends on there being a healthy democratic system), there would be room for different views to be expressed without having to cram them all into a single organisation. That's a significant restraint.<br /><br /><i>"I don't want to live in an independent Wales that does not adhere exactly to my political views"</i> I agree that's a common complaint. In truth, I'd sooner live in an independent Wales which did adhere exactly to my own political views, but unless I get to be dictator (benign of course!) that ain't going to happen. The problem with that sentiment is that it implies that those expressing it would sooner live in a UK that didn't share their views than a Wales which didn't share their views. Like you, I find that a strange thing for any <i>independentista</i> to say.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-71089702932460014202020-09-21T15:10:11.938+01:002020-09-21T15:10:11.938+01:00"should not be a precondition for moving the ..."should not be a precondition for moving the process forward." Unfortunately for many in Plaid it is. I am sick if hearing "I don't want to live in an independent Wales that does not adhere exactly to my political views".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-78977817393666546062020-09-21T15:04:39.325+01:002020-09-21T15:04:39.325+01:00Totally agree. Good luck with the Leannistas who n...Totally agree. Good luck with the Leannistas who now control Plaid. The expression of a single sentiment that strays, ever so slightly, from the one true dogma leads to villification and accusations of facism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-12362758097904789232020-09-21T12:15:07.080+01:002020-09-21T12:15:07.080+01:00Somewhere in the middle of this piece you say - &q... Somewhere in the middle of this piece you say - " The idea that the ‘independence movement’ is somehow a single entity which needs as a whole to accept the criticism and change before being acceptable struck me as a strange one. The reality is more complex than that. Whilst I might wish that every independentista agreed with my view on everything, I know it isn’t going to happen any time soon." <br /><br />That shows a maturity and tolerance that is clearly at odds with many of the groupthinkers now inhabiting the noisy end of the nationalist spectrum. <br /><br />Later you say _ " I can understand how the fact that a member of the royal family has married a woman of mixed race can be interpreted as an acceptance, at the highest levels of British society, of people of different races (and therefore something to celebrate), is it really somehow racist for a republican independentista to oppose yet another royal wedding, and all the associated union jackery?" <br /><br />I also read that article and came to a similar conclusion to yours, although mine was probably couched in less polite terms. There again you have spent time on the stump persuading people to cast a vote in your favour whereas my debating has been confined to less "formal" environments !I concluded that the writer of that article needs to tune into the big bad world a bit more and spend less time in the echo chambers of groups whose willingness to tolerate alternative views is pretty close to zero. In my youth it used to be called "growing up" !<br /> dafishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04216920242825385976noreply@blogger.com