tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post4329439537033011665..comments2024-03-26T09:38:39.888+00:00Comments on Borthlas: To lead or to followJohn Dixonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-21744886847266477402011-12-20T11:16:06.242+00:002011-12-20T11:16:06.242+00:00- Now that I can understand!- Now that I can understand!Siônnynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00021974709953206048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-58932736202660219472011-12-20T11:09:50.574+00:002011-12-20T11:09:50.574+00:00It was more that Lembit's endorsement nobbled ...It was more that Lembit's endorsement nobbled anyone he endorsed...John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-91373510469188667712011-12-20T10:56:24.706+00:002011-12-20T10:56:24.706+00:00John - I think that you are too modest about what ...John - I think that you are too modest about what your support for a candidate could do. <br /><br />I understand that you left Plaid because it had lost its radical edge, and was too coy about independence. If anyone but Leanne wins, that will continue, and the party will continue to decline as the middle-managers take over. <br /><br />Eurfyl ap Gwilym's report will be published early in the new year, I understand, and I do not think that Leanne would have declared her candidacy had she not had some indication that its findings would accord, at least acceptably, with her vision for Wales and the party. It was certainly my impression at the meeting at Swansea that there was a hunger for a more radical approach than we are used to. <br /><br />I hope when Leanne wins, and sets about steering a course that will see us breaking through in the valleys, that you will feel able to re-join us and play a vvaluable part in the national movement, as you once did with such distinction in the past. <br /><br />PS Whose endorsement knobled Lembit?Siônnynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00021974709953206048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-41182986454394873952011-12-20T08:52:37.284+00:002011-12-20T08:52:37.284+00:00Siônnyn,
1. I'm not convinced about this ...Siônnyn,<br /><br />1. I'm not convinced about this 'endorsement' business. I've never understood why the endorsement of some influential figure (or in this case, some non-entity) has any relevance in the business of deciding for whom to vote.<br /><br />2. In so far as it has any effect at all, it can also have a negative effect; some endorsements are more likely to be the kiss of death. (Lembit understands that one!)<br /><br />3. Direction is more important than personality; I really think that Plaid should decide what it's for before electing a leader who may find him or herself at odds with that direction.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-48826036201477240172011-12-19T20:51:49.472+00:002011-12-19T20:51:49.472+00:00John
Sionnyn has a very valid point.
like him I am...John<br />Sionnyn has a very valid point.<br />like him I am commited to independence in the true sense of the word for Wales and because of that I have supported Plaid over the years. Yes there have been good times and some not so good but that commitment has remained <br />The only point I would make is that Wales and Plaid function better as a team and however the election pans out Plaid needs you back as part of the teamBoncathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-71945761665327047762011-12-19T16:47:53.387+00:002011-12-19T16:47:53.387+00:00John - when are you going to come out and endorse ...John - when are you going to come out and endorse Leann Wood? C'mon - you know you want to!Siônnynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00021974709953206048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-48543889625545119282011-12-19T10:29:36.636+00:002011-12-19T10:29:36.636+00:00I think the position you take on MH call for disci...I think the position you take on MH call for disciplinary action is very logical, but “very JD”, however there are other reasons to apply the rules without fear or favour, as the foot soldiers (PBI) of the party are increasingly getting hacked off that those elected or employed by the Party, who consider themselves “above the Law”.<br />I would ask MH to publish, who sat on this panel, so that they can be individually challenged.<br />To me it is very simple and always has been throughout my membership life ( which is nearly equal to my actual life) – the Party is a servant to our Great Cause ,but alas, is now a servant to the “fat cats and running dogs of the Monarchist system”- as the (old) Left would put it.!!Spirit of BMEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-92096142031640691372011-12-19T09:48:07.187+00:002011-12-19T09:48:07.187+00:00'A small section' - just the leader and ha...'A small section' - just the leader and half the AMs then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-55652171584014930432011-12-17T15:54:57.354+00:002011-12-17T15:54:57.354+00:00John, you and I engaged in a debate about this a c...John, you and I engaged in a debate about this a couple years ago when I first started reading your blog, and I, for electoral reasons, preferred softer descriptions of what we were after, like 'self determination'. You persuaded me that I was wrong, and since then I have been proud to advance independence as our aim. In the conference, this was made official. <br /><br />Of course, the astounding situation in Scotland has made that a lot easier. No longer is the word independence a shameful aberration, it is now a mainstream concept for Scotland, and by proxy, Wales!<br /><br />I was a signatory to MH's complaint, which was well drafted and not vindictive. DET, by ruling out further constitutional change, was less radical than David Melding - a Tory!<br /><br />A small section of Plaid have swallowed that poisoned pill that Labour swallowed when they elected Blair - 'Power at any price'!<br /><br />That is not a party I want to belong to. Plaid succeeded in shifting the centre of gravity of Welsh politics in our direction, even when we had no power. We still do - by force of argument, not by possession of a ministerial limousine.<br /><br />The leadership race is going to be interesting. Plaid has to decide whether it wants to look backwards at the comfortable past, or to look forwards to a new exciting future. That is why I am going to vote fore Leanne Wood.Siônnynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00021974709953206048noreply@blogger.com