tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post3559072453884213372..comments2024-03-26T09:38:39.888+00:00Comments on Borthlas: Don't blame the EnglishJohn Dixonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-44315688735306295172019-09-23T19:57:29.294+01:002019-09-23T19:57:29.294+01:00"...are all ignoring the outcome as if never ...<i>"...are all ignoring the outcome as if never occurred"</i> I'm not sure that's entirely fair, Spirit. The problem is more that there is a lack of clarity over what the outcome actually was. And that's not just a difference of opinion betweeen the 'winners' and the 'losers'; it seems to me that the 'winners' can't even agree amongst themselves what the outcome meant. After all, the people who really stopped Brexit from happening back in March weren't Labour, Plaid or Fib Dem MPs, were they? The ones who eventually presented the greatest obstacle were the most fervent Brexit supporters who chose to define their 'victory' in such narrow terms that they couldn't carry the other Brexiteers with them...John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-16055121546071898232019-09-23T17:19:16.810+01:002019-09-23T17:19:16.810+01:00One has to ask, does any of this matter, as Labour...One has to ask, does any of this matter, as Labour, Plaid Cymru and the Liberal anti- Democratic Party are all ignoring the outcome as if never occurred?<br />The feeling of the elite is that the problem was that the great unwashed came out and voted and they should have stayed in their hovels and left to those who are better educated than they are look after their interests – the total ingrates. <br />Spirit of BMEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-43145196201367041102019-09-23T09:51:55.213+01:002019-09-23T09:51:55.213+01:00It would be no surprise to find that not identifyi...It would be no surprise to find that not identifying as Welsh is correlated with identifying as British and supporting UKIP/Brexit. But most of the people you are referring to here are Welsh by birth; my point is that this strand of opinion isn't a result of in-migration, it's native.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-25656553303454580762019-09-23T09:21:36.444+01:002019-09-23T09:21:36.444+01:00Further to the discussion of national identity and...Further to the discussion of national identity and Brexit vote. These are the percentages of people who did NOT record a Welsh only identity on the 2011 census and the UKIP vote in the Euro election 2014. Correlation does not equal causation, but I found this fascinating.<br />Rhondda: 26.7 and 26.1<br />Torfaen: 33.8 and 32.5<br />NeathPT: 28.2 and 26.4<br />Caerphil: 28.8 and 30.7<br />BlaenGwent: 27.6 and 30.2<br />Merthyr 26.8 and 33.8Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com