tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post2210230680235370737..comments2024-03-26T09:38:39.888+00:00Comments on Borthlas: The for-and-against partyJohn Dixonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-74983663012401978112013-12-13T08:14:56.630+00:002013-12-13T08:14:56.630+00:00You are, of course, perfectly entitled to be impre...You are, of course, perfectly entitled to be impressed with what the Welsh Lib Dems have achieved, although most of the "achievements" that you are referring to seem to have nothing to do with the Welsh branch of that party.<br /><br />I actually agree with the stance taken by the Welsh Lib Dems over the M4, but it's an irrelevant stance when the government of which the Lib Dems are a part is pursuing the opposite policy.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-67296881557553403262013-12-12T12:59:07.162+00:002013-12-12T12:59:07.162+00:00Hi John, thanks for the response.
"That look...Hi John, thanks for the response.<br /><br />"That looks like a sweeping claim to me; I'm not all sure that the evidence justifies it. But then, it's one of those claims which is unprovable either way."<br /><br />Oh come on, don't be petty, we all know Lib Dems pushed for it. As for the implementation, do you honestly think Wales would be getting these extra powers if it was just the Tories in change with David Jones as Secretary of State?!? Clegg even openly said in interviews that the Tories are trying to block Silk, but the Lib Dems are pushing for it.<br /><br />"do the Lib Dems not bear just the tiniest responsibility for the bit in brackets? Or are they only responsible for the 'good' bits of the UK Government while it's the wicked Tories who are responsible for the rest?"<br /><br />I guess you're right. But come on, be realistic, if the Tories want it to happen AND the Welsh Government, there is only so much power 5 (I think its 5) AMs can sway! <br /><br />"That's where the inconsistency lies." <br /><br />Well yes, it's certainly inconsistent, I won't argue with that!<br /><br />I say fair play to the WLDs for deciding to take a line a policy that is clearly politically inconveniant! lol<br /><br />I'm just quite impressed what the WLDs have achieved. It's not perfect, but still great stuff. It seems Alan Trench is the only one actually willing to state how well they have done against a clearly resistant Tory party.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />James<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-76381315080735069252013-12-10T06:44:15.352+00:002013-12-10T06:44:15.352+00:00Lib Dem apologist @ 10:19:
"Silk was only se...Lib Dem apologist @ 10:19:<br /><br /><i>"Silk was only set up because of the Lib Dems..."</i>. That looks like a sweeping claim to me; I'm not all sure that the evidence justifies it. But then, it's one of those claims which is unprovable either way.<br /><br /><i>"... it is the Welsh Govt who are exceptionally keen on the M4 plans (alongside the UK Govt)"</i> - do the Lib Dems not bear just the tiniest responsibility for the bit in brackets? Or are they only responsible for the 'good' bits of the UK Government while it's the wicked Tories who are responsible for the rest?<br /><br /><i>"Surely it is OK for the WLDs to support borrowing powers being devolved, but against what the WG wants to do with them?"</i> Of course; I could hardly disagree with that, since it is broadly my own position as well - I'm in favour of the Welsh Government having borrowing powers, but very wary of what they seem to want to do with them. But that isn't the whole story here. You are glossing over the fact, somewhat, that the Lib Dem minister concerned doesn't seem to be pushing for general borrowing powers for the Welsh Government to use as it sees fit; he seems, rather, to be pushing for limited borrowing powers to pursue one particular scheme - a scheme which the Welsh sub-branch of his party says it opposes. That's where the inconsistency lies.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07447224248021209852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-51099382348335160502013-12-09T12:42:40.500+00:002013-12-09T12:42:40.500+00:00"if a policy of the Welsh party on a specific..."if a policy of the Welsh party on a specifically Welsh issue, which is under the control of the Welsh Government can be over-ridden by the so-called ‘federal’ party, what is the point or status of such a policy?"<br /><br />You could substitute "party" for the last word of that quote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-52498147619941306372013-12-09T10:19:55.354+00:002013-12-09T10:19:55.354+00:00Dissapointed in this post.
Firstly, credit where ...Dissapointed in this post.<br /><br />Firstly, credit where credit is due, Silk was only set up because of the Lib Dems and implementation of it is only happening because of them as well. Desptie eye brows being raised, it actually seems they played a bit of a blinder getting Randerson in the Wales Office afterall.<br /><br />Secondly, it is the Welsh Govt who are exceptionally keen on the M4 plans (alongside the UK Govt). Surely it is OK for the WLDs to support borrowing powers being devolved, but against what the WG wants to do with them?<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4411161795798360588.post-25989806479229668972013-12-09T09:46:25.448+00:002013-12-09T09:46:25.448+00:00You may have a better memory than I but I am fairl...You may have a better memory than I but I am fairly sure IWJ also cited environmental grounds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com